Law Degrees – LL.B. vs. J.D.

Updated (long overdue) May 2013.

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First – The Historical Context – The LL.B. and its role in Legal History

The LL.B. is the entry level law degree. It stands for “Bachelor of Laws”. Yes, that means it is an undergraduate degree. It is the “standard”, “entry level” law degree in the British Commonwealth.  A nice description of the “Historical Origins” of the LL.B. was compiled by John Kelly of Canada Law From Abroad. It includes:

In other words the “LL.B.” designation is still used around the world. This does NOT mean that all LL.B. degrees are the same. The LL.B. used to be the degree of choice in the U.S. Until recently all Canadian common law schools offered the LL.B. degree. They have no transitioned to the J.D.

Law Degrees in North America

What’s an LL.B.? What’s a J.D.? What’s an LL.M.? Why does it matter?

Because of the different designations of law degrees, it is important that you understand what these designations mean.

Canadian LL.B. = Bachelor Of Laws – although the degree takes three years in Canada, and is overwhelmingly taken after a bachelors degree, the LL.B. is an undergraduate degree. You will find the LL.B. degree designation in many countries that are or were part of the British Commonwealth. (Many American universities, in the early years, awarded the LL.B. degree. Click here to see see an LL.B. diploma awarded in 1852 by the University of Pennsylvania law school.) To add confusion to this, in the U.K. you can take either a two year LL.B. or a three year LL.B.

J.D. = Juris Doctor – this is a graduate degree and was initially  a U.S. law degree. In addition,  Canadian (most Canadian law schools have transitioned from the LL.B. to the J.D.) and Australian law schools (Bond) offer a J.D. Make sure that you understand the difference between and ABA (American Bar Association) and non-ABA approved J.D.. The former will allow you to take the Bar exam in any U.S. state. Obviously an ABA Approved J.D. is the degree you earn from an ABA approved U.S. law school. Note that NOT all U.S. law schools are ABA approved.

Differences between the Canadian LL.B. and the Canadian J.D.

In Canada a J.D. is simply an LL.B. with a name change. There is no functional difference. This point is made in this interesting article about the Queen’s J.D. Almost all the common law schools in Canada have converted their LL.B. degree to a J.D. degree.

Joint Canada U.S. Law Degrees

Interestingly these are programs that allow one to achieve both a Canadian J.D. and an ABA approved J.D. from a U.S. law school. The content of these programs evolve. To understand the principle you want want to read this article I wrote on joint Canada U.S. law degrees.

Canadian law schools have transitioned from the LL.B. to the J.D.

This transition occurred over a period of about 15 years. What follows is a 2009 article that I wrote about the Canadian law schools  conversion of Canadian LL.B. degrees to the J.D.

For the most part the transition is now complete. This article (broken links and all) explains why the transition occurred. It is a bit of “Canadian law degree” history.

Canadian law schools convert the LL.B. degree to J.D. degrees

Copyright © 2009, John Richardson. All Rights Reserved.

Those of you who are considering law school in North America must understand what North American law degrees are, how they relate to the process of becoming a lawyer, and the difference between an ABA (American Bar Association) approved J.D. and a non-ABA approved J.D. Furthermore, you should understand how the joint LL.B./J.D. programs work at Canadian law schools (For an article on LL.B./J.D. programs in  general see: http://www.prep.com/LW.pdf)

This article should be seen as  an update to an article I wrote a number of years about “How To Become A Lawyer In North America” which appears here:

http://www.trininetwork.com/news/lawart3.htm

North American Common Law Degrees

All of the U.S. states and Canadian provinces (with the exception of Louisiana and Quebec) are based on the “common law” tradition. Quebec and Louisiana are based on the “civil” law tradition. This article will focus on the common law degrees. In the United States law schools award the J.D. (Juris Doctor). Canada is part of the British Commonwealth. Canadian law schools, until recently, have awarded the LL.B. (Bachelor of Laws).

More On The LLB.? – The Role It Plays Towards Becoming A Lawyer

The LL.B. degree is a designation which means “Bachelor of Laws”. It is the basic law degree which has been offered by law schools in the British Commonwealth. It is by definition an undergraduate degree. In the U.K., it is common for students to study law as an undergraduate subject. Canada has 15 law schools which traditionally offered the LL.B. degree. After earning this degree, students would use this degree as the academic qualification to complete the licensing process to become a lawyer in a Canadian province.

More On The J.D. – The Role It Plays Towards Becoming A Lawyer

The J.D. degree is a designation which means “Juris Doctor”. An interesting article  about the origins of the J.D. may be found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juris_Doctor#Canada

It is important to recognize:

  1. In the U.S., the  J.D. is a graduate degree. People attend law school in the U.S. after having earned a bachelors degree; and
  2. The J.D. provides the academic qualification to become admitted to the bar in the U.S.
  3. There is a difference between a J.D. that is “ABA approved” and a J.D. that is not “ABA” approved. An “ABA Approved” J.D. will allow one to take the bar exam in every U.S. state. A J.D. that is NOT “ABA Approved” will NOT allow one to take the bar exam in every state, but will normally allow one to take the bar exam in some U.S. states.

Canadian law schools and the J.D. degree – Joint LLB./J.D. Programs

Over the last decade, three Canadian law schools (Windsor, Ottawa and Osgoode) have partnered with U.S. law schools to offer a joint LL.B./J.D. program. In each case, the students would earn two degrees:

–         a Canadian LL.B. (or J.D.) degree

–         a U.S. J.D. degree which is ABA approved.

For an earlier article I wrote on these degrees see:

http://osgoode.yorku.ca/media2.nsf/5457ed39bc56dbfd852571e900728656/e108170e7921e81285256f95005c0dd1!OpenDocument

The key point is that graduates of Canadian LL.B./J.D. programs earn a J.D. from a U.S. law school  that is ABA approved.

These degrees continue to be popular.

A number of Canadian law schools are now changing their LL.B. degrees to J.D. degrees.  This change should be seen as an “LL.B.” with a name change.  (By the fall of 2010 all 6 Ontario law schools have changed their  degree to the J.D.  degree.)

Canadian law schools – converting the LL.B. to the J.D.

When a Canadian law school changes from the LL.B. to the J.D. (which they all are or will), it should be seen as  an “LL.B. with a name change. A J.D. from a Canadian law school is not an “ABA Approved” J.D. In other words a Canadian J.D. degree will not allow one to take the bar exam in every U.S. state. (There are some U.S. states which will allow Canadian law graduates – whether an LL.B. or J.D.  – to take their bar exam.)

Three points are important:

1. Again to be clear – a J.D. from a Canadian law school is NOT ABA approved and therefore will not allow one to take the bar exam in every U.S.  state.

2. Graduates of Canadian LLB./J.D. programs will have earned an ABA approved J.D. from an American law school in addition to a Canadian law degree from a Canadian law school. Because they will have an ABA approved J.D. from an American law school, they will be able to take the bar exam in any and every U.S. state.

3. A Canadian law school that has an LL.B./J.D. program (I am thinking specifically of Osgoode) who then changes  their LL.B to a J.D. will be in exactly the same position as in “2” above. Specifically graduates will earn a non-ABA approved J.D. from Osgoode and an ABA approved J.D. from NYU. (Note that in 2010 the Osgoode and NYU joint degree program was discontinued. Osgoode  now  has  a joint J.D./LL.M. program  with NYU.)

Why are Canadian law schools converting the J.D.?

It is the view of many Canadian law schools that the J.D. is better regarded internationally. Although I am unwilling to express an opinion on that, I will refer you to the following articles:

http://www.globecampus.ca/in-the-news/globecampusreport/why-change-to-a-jd-degree/

Queen’s – Rationale for change

http://law.queensu.ca/students/lss/jdProposal.html
Canadian Lawyer reports that Dalhousie is also considering the change from LL.B. to J.D.

What Canadian law schools have converted to the J.D.?

At the present time the following schools have converted their LLB. degrees to J.D. degrees:

–         University of Toronto

–         Queen’s

–         Osgoode

(Since  this article was originally written, Western, Windsor  and Ottawa and converted to the J.D.)

–         University of British Columbia

Those considering the transition include:

–         University of Western Ontario (now converted to the J.D.)

–         University of Calgary

–         Dahousie

McGill – change under consideration:
http://mcgilljd.blogspot.com/

Note also the following Facebook group which makes it clear that the University of Calgary is also making the switch to the J.D.

Osgoode – change under consideration:
http://osgoode.yorku.ca/media2.nsf/58912001c091cdc8852569300055bbf9/6fb85805a130278385257401006bbab2!OpenDocument

University of British Columbia – Change made:
http://www.law.ubc.ca/news/2008/sept/09_02_2008_jd.html

Western – change made:
http://www.law.uwo.ca/News/Sept_08/JD.html

My prediction – it won’t be long until the LL.B. has become extinct in Canada.

Learn More – Pre-Law Forums

For more information don’t forget to join us for the 2009 annual Pre-Law Forum at Osgoode Hall Law School. Get your information direct from the law schools It’s free! Pre-Law Forum is organized and sponsored by the Richardson LSAT Prep Centre of Toronto, Canada. The 2009 Pre-Law Forum is graciously hosted by the Osgoode Hall Law School of York University in Toronto, Canada.

Update: The 2013 Pre-Law Forum will be held on Sunday June 2, 2013 in Toronto.



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24 thoughts on “Law Degrees – LL.B. vs. J.D.

  1. sunitha vimal

    Iam a graduate in LL.B from India and practising in India mostly on motor accident claims.Will there any chance for me in Canada?Iwant to work in Canada.Iam concern about my job in Canada

  2. Gabriel

    The LLB and JD degree are both the same. The only difference is that the ABA wanted to distinguish the degree beyond a bachelors degree which makes sense because of another three years of study to obtain the law degree to demonstrate that makes it really equalivalent to a masters degree in other discipline. There are way too many academic elitists who continue to maintain an outdated educational system to perpeutate the old boys system of tenure.

    Dr. Gabriel

  3. pricilla robertson

    I am truly interrested in this course I live in south africa and is currently in the police force would like to know if this course is offered in my country. Where and how do I apply I would like to do it but as a home study like from home as I work al the time

  4. Amarjeet singh

    Can i do llb through correspondence?if yes,what admission process,should i follow for doing L.L.B.

  5. waqar ahmed ''a'' chandio

    honourable sir ! I want to get llb through distance learning? Is it possible?

  6. shyam

    Honourable sir mam i completed my degree through distance and i did not did my intermediate is it possible? to me llb help me out

  7. DEEPAK KUMAR

    What is the procedure of taking admission in LL.B programe after passing I.sc . I am from india . Can you tell me a list of top LL.B colleges in india ? Is there any entrance exam to take admission in govt. Colleges of india ?

  8. Dr. Rasputín D' Lamácula

    The JD and the LLB is the same thing. While the JD is a professional degree that is typically pursued after receiving a Bachelor’s degree, the former does not necessarily require the student/applicant to underlay his educational profile with an undergraduate degree before entering a law school. However, most reputable schools expect the applicant to show competency via his/her undergraduate record(s). Otherwise, why would the LLM (a Master’s degree in Law) be regarded at a higher level in the field and pursued by JD graduates? Let’s face it, the branding of the LLB with the “doctor” term is an American attempt to elevate the degree from its undergraduate status to cloak jurists with the veils of academic elitism.

    Respectfully,
    Dr. Rasputín D’ Lamácula

  9. hygius

    i really like to know why j.d degrees does not apply to some africa nations being part of british comonweath nation .thank you for your time
    hyginus

  10. anastasia cobbah

    Hi I’m an undergraduate in business administration but I would like to switch to law and I don’t really know how to go about it….

  11. Samantha

    I’m not sure how LL.B worked before but today in Canada J.D. is actually a graduate degree – you can’t get a J.D. If you don’t have an undergraduate degree. It’s not just a name change 🙂 There is a bachelor of law (undergrad) and there is J.D. ( graduate degree – usually 3 yr of f/t law school)

  12. Angelina TRho

    I am planning to live in Toronto, Canada, soon. I am holding an LLB degree done by distance learning from England, UK. I actually live in the United States of America. Will it be possible to work with my LLB degree in the law field in Toronto? It is not ABA approved. How to convert my LLB to JD? Will it be necessary to do more studies to convert my LLB to JD?

  13. SANYAM MALHOTRA

    Hi there,

    I am a lawyer / advocate from India with a 5 year B.A. LL.B (Honours) degree. In addition to that I had qualified the AIBE (All India Bar Examination) and was issued a Certificate of Practice from the Bar Council of India (BCI) and as of today possess 6 years of post-qualification experience primarily in civil and criminal litigation. I am now looking to move to Canada due to family and personal reasons and as such am planning to continue my law career in Canada.

    After having read the information on your website it appears to me that in order for me to practice law in Canada first of all I need to obtain a CQ, which could be achieved by:
    A) either getting a LL.M degree with the Canadian Bar Exam; or
    B) pass the mandatory 5 exams pertaining to Canadian Law, like Constitution, Criminal Law, etc. along with the Canadian Bar Exam.

    Is this the correct supposition of the requirement for me to practice law in Canada? Kindly advise.

    Thanks

    Sanyam Malhotra

  14. Jack Bocks

    A juris doctaor (J.D) is NOT a doctoral degree. J.D. holders are not doctors unless they have a doctoral degree. e.g., Th.D., Ph.D., Ed.D, etc. There is a doctoral degree in law, the D.J.S., which is a graduate degree (the J.D. is a first degree in law). THE D .J.S. is a legitimate doctoral degree, that is, those who possess a D.J.S., are doctors the same as persons with a ThD., M.D., D.O., O.D., D.S.M., etc

  15. Annie

    I like my 25 year old LL.B from Western, thank you very much. I’m a traditionalist and have zero desire to practice law outside Canada.

  16. jitendra singh bhalla

    Respected Sir, i am from india.i want to do juris doctor (J.D) FROM CANADA. Tell me about the process.

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